CindyO -humphrey sphinctermuscle - Now there's a shocker. one of the majority owners talks up the guy they put in as the lead.
whoulda thunk :)
Exactly! It's common knowledge that successful billionaires hire/appoint presidents and then keep them around even if they suck... <b>for TEN YEARS</b>=) LMAO!
Cindy
Dana has done a lot of great things for the UFC. It probably boils down to his obviously tireless work ethic and passion for his company, which is infectious. His positives are many but for the most part, intangible, while his weaknesses are pretty easy to spot, and have already been laid out here, up to and including his very own post.
dfw jr - i want to be remembered as the greatest dad EVERRRRRRRRR and nobody in mma has a say in that :). what people will remember are the fights and the greatest fighters over the next 20 years.
Side note, I find it odd that he drops no f-bombs when he types....
Jons Forsberg -dfw - I wanna be remembered as the greatest dad...
aaaaww
DFW is Da Derp De, but all he ever wanted was really to Derp Da Teetley Derpee Derpee Dumb.
lol f/o douchebag!
dabigchet -whistleblower -
Except according to Dana and Lorenzo themselves - as they have repeatedly stated - TUF is what entirely saved the UFC.
except that's not what the thread is about. it is about who would be remembered as the greatest man in mma.
dabigchet - i see you dicktucked on my steve jobs analogy.
MMA has always been the sport of the future. People conveniently forget the early UFCs were doing PPV buys in the hundreds of thousands with practically zero mainstream advertising.
SEG was slowly on its way back (with unified rules, etc....) until the Fertittas/Dana stopped them with their influence of the NSAC. Then they took over when it was obvious SEG was going to be undermined.
I'm curious if the option of bringing in the Fertittas as partners was even an option for SEG.
dabigchet - let's see if you will dick tuck on this as well (i think you will): what was the PPV buyrate for the chuck/randy II fight at the end of TUF I? what are the highest buy rates in UFC history and when did they occur?
^Dana already shat all over those who shat on this thread, so just let it go...
Dana is a vintage worker, he maintains kayfabe even when posting on the UG. But even his carefully crafted bad boy counter-culture take no prisoners persona is no match for WB, The People's Champion.
I will never understand how a sport where the goal is the beat your opponent into unconsciousness/make them submit to pain can have such whiney faggots as "hardcore fans."
Waaaaaaah because of Dana other people know about MMA, not just you. Waaaaaaah Dana actually didn't want a reality show, all his other achievements are now tainted and invalid. You people sound like goddamn 15 year olds crying about how their favorite band is on the radio now.
I personally think it's great. I remember only having 2 friends into MMA around the time of Tito/Ken 1. Now I get to watch and talk about it with several buddies. That's a good thing. Why the fuck should I care if they got into the sport because of TUF? Should I look down on everyone because they don't have a Best of Pancrase DVD collection?
Anyway, go back to internet high-fiving each other over "owning the TUF noobs." You obviously need the validation.
Musashi - Definitely pharmaceutical imo. lol
Barocked Armbama -Jons Forsberg -dfw - I wanna be remembered as the greatest dad...
aaaaww
DFW is Da Derp De, but all he ever wanted was really to Derp Da Teetley Derpee Derpee Dumb.
lol f/o douchebag!
i wish Dana paid me to fight you
Out of everything happening with the UFC, I'll definitely give credit to Dana for being an extremely hard worker. He may not be the type of person everyone wishes him to be and he certainly isn't responsible for the UFCs boom in popularity for the most part, but he does bust his ass to get things done with the current system in place.
I agree with Whistleblower on how inflated peoples' perceptions of Dana really are. At the same time, I also notice that the dude puts in 25hr days dedicated to all of the tasks and upgrades that come with his job (for instance, trying to get the sport sanctioned in every State and exposure in other countries).
In my opinion, dude is a necessary evil. Somewhat childish with his "play in sandbox, or else you suck" mentality and approach, but at the same time pushing to get the sport to places it's never been.
Jons Forsberg -dabigchet -
so, let's see. the UFC's biggest event ever after TUF added approximately 130K new buys. not too shabby. but 20 months AFTERWARDS there was 700K+ more viewers on top of that. who gets credit for that growth?
Second seasonf of TUF.dabigchet -
UFC 100 then broke the Tito-Chuck II record with 1.6 million buys last year.
and then, 2 1/2 years after that, you have ANOTHER 600K NEW customers. where did they come from, and who gets credit for that? are TUF I viewers somehow multiplying?
Yes, TUF has had new editions and more viewers ever since. It's a pretty simple concept to understand.
right place right time. happened to a guy here. contracts for construction. many mines around. he heard word they were looking for contractor. he asked couple guys to help. they helped. now he is a millionaire. he talks shit alot like dana. fuck this, fuck that. money must get the ego inflated. he sure shit on people.
so, dana works hard right now. but, could of been anyone in the ufc.
once the ufc ball started rolling, it can't be stopped.
now props to dana for working hard. and if he works hard, he deserves to be remembered as an icon in mma.
whistleblower, if you are saying that the Fertitta's had a bigger impact on the success of the UFC than DW, that's probably fair, but I think you are being unfairly dismissive of DW's contributions.
For one, if DW is to blame for running up a $44M debt, aren't the Fertitta's even more at fault for allowing him to spend it, especially since the money came from their pockets? [incidentally, the $44M number is probably greatly exaggerated/urban legend, but either way...]
Also, every business that has success has a measure of "luck" where a business is in the right place at the right time. What you will find, though, is that successful people and companies make sure they are in places where opportunities are likely to come up and are smart enough to take advantage of them when they do.
Maybe Dana failed to recognize at the time that TUF would be a success, but he certainly had the company and its product positioned, from a presentation and a demographic standpoint, to be able to take advantage of any good opportunity that came its way.
Why were they talking to Spike in the first place? Probably because - through hard work and guts (and, no doubt, money) - DW was carpetbombing a variety of TV networks to try to get the UFC on the air in any way possible. (Remember Greatest Damn Sports Show live events?)
Why did Spike agree to take the initial meeting with the UFC? Probably because the product they saw was appealing and because the UFC had done a good job courting and exploiting a demographic that Spike and others wanted to reach. Both things that can likely be credited to DW, though no one can know the exact details of who did what when.
No doubt that it is easier to run and grow a business when you have a big source of capital at your disposal - you can try lots of different ideas and fail at many until one hits, for example. But, success is not a sure thing - Pets.com, EliteXC, or many other Internet bubble companies, for example. And, if DW did nothing else but secure and convince the F's to spend the capital, that's a big feather in his cap.
I'd have to say yes. He didn't invent the sport, but with a vision of what the sport can be, he made all the right decisions to make it happen. He stepped outside the role of mere promoter to make the growth of the sport legally and bureaucratically possible, and exposed to to the masses in a controlled environment to avoid potential catastrophe. It will be interesting to see what happens when the UFC becomes an absolute monopoly, because there are really no real models/cases in sport-business to compare to.
He created nothing. He just took over the product and bribed the athletic commissions to sanchon it. The Gracies deserve all the credit. Their idea, their production and their fighter.
don't know about that, but i do hear he was HUGE in
the rise of BOXERCIZING!
Chuck Liddell has had more of a global and mainstreaming
effect.
Dana is the best @ posting how much he makes on sorry ass
ppvs. Kinda a like and in your face, imo.