Jiu jitsu skin infections are real!!!

Joe Lauzon -

Tips to avoid nasty skin stuff that goes along with training…

1) Know what things like mrsa, staph, impetigo, ringworm, cellulitis, etc look like so as soon as one pops up, you know what it is. 

2) Always shower immediately after the gym with something like defense soap or antibacterial soap. Never shower before the gym, as that opens your pores and leaves you more susceptible to picking stuff up. In the same vein, try to take a warm-to-semi-cold shower AFTER the gym so you can get clean first and then after clean, warm up the water. You don't have to be crazy about this, just do whatever you can handle. 

3) NEVER shave immediately before or after the gym. We had one guy at my gym that ended up quitting… he caught staph on his face like 3x in a year. I kept telling him why it was happening (he was the only one in the gym with it) and he was like "Well, I had this same problem at my old gym too…" yet saw no correlation with his shaving and catching staph where he would nick himself shaving. He is the only person I have ever heard of with staph on their face. 

4) Burns and scratches are usually the entry point for infection… so make sure to clean those areas well after training. Long sleeves/pants help if you are really worried about it. One of the guys that lives with me wears long sleeves and a long sleeve spandex top under his shirt… I think its overkill but he has never had any issues catching anything. 

5) Never assume something is a pimple… I have seen tons of people with "stuff" and they have a "weird pimple" somewhere… its not a pimple dude, go get that checked out. I have told lots of guys in my gym to come down with something, not know what it was because they just aren't familiar with it. Ask someone that knows. 

6) If you have anything… or you see someone else that might have something… bring it to someones attention that knows what they are looking at. This goes along with number 5, but its not just about you… it goes for training partners too. 

I've been training for 13 years and ringworm will pop up from time to time but thats it. Keep an eye out and it shouldn't be that big of an issue. 

(and as a side note, most people get it because their body is so weakened from training that their body can't fight things off. The unfortunate truth is this bacteria is everywhere all the time, and you can catch it anywhere.)

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Nut Kicker - So for the defense soap. Should I just buy the soap and wipes? Phone Post 3.0


it depends. if you shower at the gym the soap should be enough. if you wait until you get home to shower i would get the wipes as well.



here is a vid of guy the owner explaining the products

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Nut Kicker - So for the defense soap. Should I just buy the soap and wipes? Phone Post 3.0


it depends. if you shower at the gym the soap should be enough. if you wait until you get home to shower i would get the wipes as well.



here is a vid of guy the owner explaining the products

Also if u email Guy and tell him ur from the UG he'll hook u up with a good discount. I don't have his email off the top of my head though. Phone Post 3.0

UGCTT_sakurabas ear - 

Sounds like you need to get yourself some Defense soap. Make a thread for Guy, he's great with big discounts for UG'ers. Phone Post


Guy's good people, man. He hooked me up.

js138 - Taping up cuts or scratched isn't always guaranteed. I had a cut on the bottom of my foot I taped up yet staph still got inside and the infection didnt start untill after my foot healed.

A week later I couldn't walk due to two giant abscesses on the bottom of my foot and after four failed antibiotics they had to lance my foot which was easily the worst pain I've ever experienced in my life.

Once we realized lancing my foot didn't work, I went to a foot doctor who scheduled EMERGENCY surgery at 5 am the next morning to save my foot. :( Phone Post 3.0

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I shower 2x a day with this special tee tree oil soap I've been using for years and it works wonders. Haven't caught shit since. Tee tree oil folks. It kills everything nasty that lurks on your skin.

Team GDP -

Watch more video of The Wrestling Factory of Cleveland (GOhioCasts) on Gohiocasts

Nut Kicker - So for the defense soap. Should I just buy the soap and wipes? Phone Post 3.0


it depends. if you shower at the gym the soap should be enough. if you wait until you get home to shower i would get the wipes as well.



here is a vid of guy the owner explaining the products

Thanks for responding. Phone Post 3.0

UGCTT_SidRival -
Team GDP -

Watch more video of The Wrestling Factory of Cleveland (GOhioCasts) on Gohiocasts

Nut Kicker - So for the defense soap. Should I just buy the soap and wipes? Phone Post 3.0


it depends. if you shower at the gym the soap should be enough. if you wait until you get home to shower i would get the wipes as well.



here is a vid of guy the owner explaining the products

Also if u email Guy and tell him ur from the UG he'll hook u up with a good discount. I don't have his email off the top of my head though. Phone Post 3.0
Think I'm going to do that lol. Thanks for the response. Phone Post 3.0

Do it ^^ Guy is pretty awesome and he takes care of his own. Phone Post 3.0

Guy is the man, and Defense Soap is legit Phone Post 3.0

Joe Lauzon -


Tips to avoid nasty skin stuff that goes along with training…



1) Know what things like mrsa, staph, impetigo, ringworm, cellulitis, etc look like so as soon as one pops up, you know what it is. 



2) Always shower immediately after the gym with something like defense soap or antibacterial soap. Never shower before the gym, as that opens your pores and leaves you more susceptible to picking stuff up. In the same vein, try to take a warm-to-semi-cold shower AFTER the gym so you can get clean first and then after clean, warm up the water. You don't have to be crazy about this, just do whatever you can handle. 



3) NEVER shave immediately before or after the gym. We had one guy at my gym that ended up quitting… he caught staph on his face like 3x in a year. I kept telling him why it was happening (he was the only one in the gym with it) and he was like "Well, I had this same problem at my old gym too…" yet saw no correlation with his shaving and catching staph where he would nick himself shaving. He is the only person I have ever heard of with staph on their face. 



4) Burns and scratches are usually the entry point for infection… so make sure to clean those areas well after training. Long sleeves/pants help if you are really worried about it. One of the guys that lives with me wears long sleeves and a long sleeve spandex top under his shirt… I think its overkill but he has never had any issues catching anything. 



5) Never assume something is a pimple… I have seen tons of people with "stuff" and they have a "weird pimple" somewhere… its not a pimple dude, go get that checked out. I have told lots of guys in my gym to come down with something, not know what it was because they just aren't familiar with it. Ask someone that knows. 



6) If you have anything… or you see someone else that might have something… bring it to someones attention that knows what they are looking at. This goes along with number 5, but its not just about you… it goes for training partners too. 



I've been training for 13 years and ringworm will pop up from time to time but thats it. Keep an eye out and it shouldn't be that big of an issue. 



(and as a side note, most people get it because their body is so weakened from training that their body can't fight things off. The unfortunate truth is this bacteria is everywhere all the time, and you can catch it anywhere.)

Good post. I'd also like to add I reference to #2, that not only does showering before going to the gym open your pores, it also washes off/kills off the good, natural bacteria that live on your skin to help you fight the nasty stuff. The combo of open pores and very few good bacteria leaves your skin really exposed.

In short: Always give yourself a few hours between showering and training to re-grow the healthy bacteria on your skin. Phone Post 3.0

Damn. When I wrestled in HS we had the worst hygiene. I don't think the mats ever got disinfected. Mopped down with water before actual matches, but not day to day for practice. Guys would be wearing the same sweats for nearly the entire season without washing them. We would laugh at some of the guys whose T-shirts underneath all the sweats would be stiff and nearly standing up by itself come Monday practices because they had time to dry over Sunday in the locker after the week day and Saturday practices. And these guys still wouldn't wash the T-shirts because it became a source of pride for them to be so stanky.

No one ever got a skin infection though.

I wonder why BJJ gets all these infections when you don't hear much about that happening with wrestling.

Pencil Neck - Damn. When I wrestled in HS we had the worst hygiene. I don't think the mats ever got disinfected. Mopped down with water before actual matches, but not day to day for practice. Guys would be wearing the same sweats for nearly the entire season without washing them. We would laugh at some of the guys whose T-shirts underneath all the sweats would be stiff and nearly standing up by itself come Monday practices because they had time to dry over Sunday in the locker after the week day and Saturday practices. And these guys still wouldn't wash the T-shirts because it became a source of pride for them to be so stanky.

No one ever got a skin infection though.

I wonder why BJJ gets all these infections when you don't hear much about that happening with wrestling.

That's fucking foul.

Also, I think it's the gi's. Large amount of textiles. It's basically a huge petri dish ;)

Joe Lauzon -

Tips to avoid nasty skin stuff that goes along with training…

1) Know what things like mrsa, staph, impetigo, ringworm, cellulitis, etc look like so as soon as one pops up, you know what it is. 

2) Always shower immediately after the gym with something like defense soap or antibacterial soap. Never shower before the gym, as that opens your pores and leaves you more susceptible to picking stuff up. In the same vein, try to take a warm-to-semi-cold shower AFTER the gym so you can get clean first and then after clean, warm up the water. You don't have to be crazy about this, just do whatever you can handle. 

3) NEVER shave immediately before or after the gym. We had one guy at my gym that ended up quitting… he caught staph on his face like 3x in a year. I kept telling him why it was happening (he was the only one in the gym with it) and he was like "Well, I had this same problem at my old gym too…" yet saw no correlation with his shaving and catching staph where he would nick himself shaving. He is the only person I have ever heard of with staph on their face. 

4) Burns and scratches are usually the entry point for infection… so make sure to clean those areas well after training. Long sleeves/pants help if you are really worried about it. One of the guys that lives with me wears long sleeves and a long sleeve spandex top under his shirt… I think its overkill but he has never had any issues catching anything. 

5) Never assume something is a pimple… I have seen tons of people with "stuff" and they have a "weird pimple" somewhere… its not a pimple dude, go get that checked out. I have told lots of guys in my gym to come down with something, not know what it was because they just aren't familiar with it. Ask someone that knows. 

6) If you have anything… or you see someone else that might have something… bring it to someones attention that knows what they are looking at. This goes along with number 5, but its not just about you… it goes for training partners too. 

I've been training for 13 years and ringworm will pop up from time to time but thats it. Keep an eye out and it shouldn't be that big of an issue. 

(and as a side note, most people get it because their body is so weakened from training that their body can't fight things off. The unfortunate truth is this bacteria is everywhere all the time, and you can catch it anywhere.)

Great post. I've definitely been guilty of showering right before training, and I've had ringworm and impetigo multiple times. But I also never seem to get that stuff in the summer months, when I'm on vacation and have less stress, even though I go more often then. I think a lot just has to do with each individual's immune system. Phone Post

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Guy
Defense Soap

The most important step we can take toward preventing and curing skin infections is to educate ourselves. Once we are properly educated we can begin to lay a solid foundation, brick by brick, for healthy, infection tolerant skin.

Skin infections are caused by three different sources:

1. Fungus (most common is Tinea)--Causes ringworm, jock itch, athlete's foot, and infected nails
2. Bacteria--Causes Staph, impetigo and MRSA
3. Virus--Causes Herpes and warts


Our skin surface is made up of our own unique balance of these three sources. This is called our normal flora. When our flora is out of balance and/or our skin becomes damaged. These sources have a chance to become infections.

Showering immediately after practice sounds like a simple enough way to prevent skin infections, but did you know that if you go straight to the shower and use an antibacterial soap only, you are promoting the growth of fungal infections?

--Antibacterial soaps do just what they state- they kill bacteria. This is great when we want to protect ourselves from just bacterial infections. This is not great when we are also exposed to fungal and viral infections.

--Antibacterial soaps strip away the bacteria that keep the balance of our normal flora leaving behind fungal and viral infections to flourish. The bacterium on your skin are needed to compete for space with the fungi and viruses to create your normal flora.

--Antibacterial soaps commonly use Triclosan as their active ingredient. Triclosan is an FDA approved pesticide that some studies show is absorbed through our skin.

Showering tips for wrestlers and fighters:

--Do not lather directly under the flow of water. Allow soap to remain on skin momentarily.

--Use a loofa (mesh sponge) but not too vigorously. Vigorous scrubbing will cause small abrasions to the surface of the skin allowing penetration by the sources of infection.

--Wash the back of the neck and hairline thoroughly. The Collar Tie is responsible for the over abundance of skin infections found here. Our hands touch everything in the wrestling room including the mats, our bodies, our opponent's body and anything else you might pick up. Everything collected by our hands is transferred to the back of our opponent's neck. Wash this area twice.

--Wear shower shoes. Athlete's foot is caused by the same Tinea (fungus) that causes ringworm.

--Do not share towels and wash towels after each use.

--Dry off thoroughly.

--Wear loose fitting clothes to allow your skin to breath.

We also need to protect ourselves on the mats. We all know that the mats are a battlefield. They are a place we go to compete or to train and prepare for competition.
Part of this preparation and training should include proper hygiene. Here are a few tips that can help in the room.

--Carry your shoes to practice. When leaving the room for water or bathroom breaks wipe your shoes before entering back into the room. Shoes can be wiped on a towel dampened with solution from your bucket of mat cleaner. Wet the towel in the bucket before cleaning the mats.

--Fighters who train barefoot should never walk on the floor without proper foot coverings. The foot coverings should always be removed before entering the mats or ring.

--Change your shirt often during practice. Once a shirt becomes soaked in sweat it becomes permeable. Your sweat becomes a vehicle for infections to pass through your clothing and onto your skin.

--Wear a thick cotton t-shirt or clothing made of synthetic fibers that "wick" the sweat away from the body, helping to keep the skin dry.

--When sitting on the wall do not play with the mats. Wrestlers often lean with their backs against the wall with their hands at their sides touching the edges of the mats
along the wall. Take a look at what is in between the wall and the edge of the mat. When was the last time this area was cleaned and when was the last time your wall mats were cleaned?

--Do not train with partners who have skin infections and do not train if you yourself are infected.

--Cover and treat any trauma to the skin including, cuts, scrapes, and new tattoos. New tattoos are the product of the skin being pierced literally thousands of times. Always apply an antibiotic ointment or healing slave before covering for added protection. Of course this is going to fall of during training and will have to be recovered.

--When leaving the room always, always, always, consider yourself contaminated-because you are. Shower immediately and properly. If a shower is not available use a body wipe to hold you over until you can shower.

Having a clean room is also a necessity but a clean room is more then just mopping the mats. There are many more surfaces that we come in contact with other than floor mats.
Consider cleaning the following:

--Wall mats.

--Takedown dummies. (Remove the clothing and launder it and wipe down vinyl surfaces.)

--Throw dummies.

--Crash pads or throw mats.

--Fighters, wipe down your bags, bag gloves and your hands after wearing bag gloves.

--Fungi like to live in damp and dark places. Make your room light and dry. A dehumidifier can pull moisture out of your room.

Battling skin infections is more then just topical. Diet can play a huge role in how healthy our skin is and healthy skin is harder to infect. Here are a few diet and skin care tips:

--Keep your blood sugars under control. Aim for blood sugars of 80 mg/dl to 120 mg/dl before meals, and 100 mg/dl to 140 mg/dl at bedtime.

--Keep your Hemoglobin A1c at 7% or less (a 3 month average blood sugar test). This prevents dry skin.

--Drink eight glasses of water a day. Of course when cutting weight we all would love
to have eight glasses of water however we just cannot do this. Applying lotion to the skin will help keep it moist.

--Eat whole grains, fresh fruits and vegetables and small amounts of lean protein rather then sugary or fat laden foods. Keep a balanced diet even when cutting back.

--Rest to increase your body's resistance. You will catch infections easier if you are worn down.

Once infected, proper care is required to rid you of the infection and promote healing.

--Do not touch the infection. Wash your hands immediately if you do touch an
infection.

--Consult your trainer or physician with all possible infections. The sooner you treat an infection the less established it will be. The infection will be easier to clear up, creating less damage to the skin.

--Use medicine completely and as recommended. The infection may still be present even though it may not be visible.

--Use the proper medication for each infection. Using the wrong medicine my make the infection worse. An example of this is using cortisone creams on fugal infections which help fungus grow.

Many of us train for hours a day for competition, some are coaches and some just want to stay in shape. Whatever reason we have to be on the mat or in the ring, we all share the common threat of skin infections. Preventing, treating and curing skin infections can be made easier with a little education on the topic.

Hope this helps,

Guy
Defense Soap

Normal Skin Flora

What Is It and How Does It Effect Wrestlers and Fighters?

The normal skin flora is made up of the bacteria that normally live on the skin when the skin is healthy. These bacteria, which are harmless, actually prevent other harmful bacteria and fungus from growing on the skin. These normal bacteria are disturbed with over washing with antibacterial soaps and the use of antibiotics.

Introduction

This presentation will help provide us with the information we need to successfully battle skin infections. This presentation will also explain why we are susceptible to so many skin infections that are bacterial and fungal.

Education Is the Key

Understanding the balance between normal skin flora and good hygiene has puzzled wrestlers and fighters for decades.
A false sense of security is placed on upon the notion that wrestling on clean mats will protect us from skin infections.

Little Known Fact

Wrestlers and fighters actually create an environment more suitable for fungus to thrive in by using a soap that is strictly antibacterial.

Fact

The purpose of antibacterial soap is to kill bacteria on our skin that can cause bacterial infections. Unfortunately as wrestlers and fighters we are placed into environments where we are commonly exposed to fungal infections as well.


Knowledge Is Power

Our normal flora acts as a protective barrier as long as all of the players stay in their place. The normal flora influences the anatomy, physiology, susceptibility to pathogens, and morbidity of the host.
Skin regions have been compared to geographic regions of earth: the desert of the forearm, the cool woods of the scalp, and the tropical forest of the armpit. The
composition of the dermal micro flora varies from site to site according to the character of the microenvironment.
A different bacterial flora characterizes each of three regions of skin: (1) axilla, perineum, and toe webs; (2) hand, face and trunk; and (3) upper arms and legs. Skin sites with partial occlusion (axilla, perineum, and toe webs) harbor more microorganisms than do less occluded areas (legs, arms, and trunk). Bacterial infections may incur when bacteria from one environment, or from someone else's normal flora, are introduced into a foreign environment. Susceptibility increases where there is a break in the skin. (scratches, mat burns, skin blemishes)

Overview

Poor hygiene also increases the host's susceptibility.
Continued exposure to foreign skin flora promotes disease.



Hygiene

As coaches, wrestlers and fighters we know that we have to clean ourselves after competition or training. During the season we shower sometimes three times a day. Most of us will use on over the counter antibacterial soap, bar or liquid.

This Is Where the Dilemma Lies.

If we don't practice proper hygiene we will become susceptible to bacterial infections, however continuous batheing with antibacterial soap will weaken and disturb our normal flora.

The Bacteria That Comprise the Normal Flora Are:

?• Staphylococcus epidermis– found on the skin
surface
• Anaerobic diphtheroids – located deep
in hair follicles
• Micrococci
• Corynebacteria (diphtheroids)
• Propionibacteria

These bacteria are found throughout the different environments on the body. They compete for space in these environments as a matter of their own survival. They will devour most foreign pathogens including "Tinea" which is better known as "ringworm".

"Catch 22"

Through our perseverance to control skin infections we have created the ringworm epidemic we are faced with today.

Defense Soap

At Defense Soap we are wrestlers who have researched this "catch 22" extensively. We believe the proper mind set is to use a soap whose all-natural ingredients have been clinically proven to have antibacterial and anti-fungal properties. When a wrestler or fighter bathes with Defense Soap they are using a soap, which has been proven to kill fungus and bacteria in a laboratory setting.

Mat Cleaning

A clean wrestling environment is crucial when attempting to battle skin infections. As often as we clean our mats we will never eliminate all of the microscopic invaders that can cause infections but the effort has to be made to prevent epidemic levels of infections.

Think of the Areas We Don't Clean

? Wall mats
? Throw dummies
? Ropes
? Medicine balls
? Our opponent or drill partner
? Wrestling shoes
? Headgear
? Kneepads
? Anything removed from a gym bag

False Hopes

Don't be fooled into believing that you are wrestling in a clean environment. Things that you can't see will hurt you.


Summary
Things that you can't see will hurt you.
At Defense Soap we believe we are contaminated every time we step on the mat. Our philosophy is that we are going to focus on cleaning ourselves in a thorough and educated manner. Through our perseverance to control skin infections we have created the ringworm epidemic we are faced with today. With just a little more education and understanding we can begin to control the skin infections that now plague our sport.

Where to Get More Information

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References

Bitton G, Marshall KC: Adsorption of Microorganisms to Surfaces. John Wiley & Sons, New York, 1980
Draser BS, Hill MJ: Human Intestinal Flora. Academic Press, London, 1974.
Freter R, Brickner J, Botney M, et al: Survival and implantation of Escherichia coli in the intestinal tract. Infect Immun 39:686, 1983
Hentges DJ, Stein AJ, Casey SW, Que JU: Protective role of intestinal flora against Pseudomonas aeruginosa in mice: influence of antibiotics on colonization resistance. Infect Immun 47:118, 1985
Herthelius M, Gorbach SL, Mollby R, et al: Elimination of vaginal colonization with Escherichia coli by administration of indigenous flora. Infect Immun 57:2447, 1989
Maibach H, Aly R: Skin Microbiology: Relevance to Clinical Infection. Springer-Verlag, New York, 1981
Marples MJ: Life in the skin. Sci Am 220:108, 1969
Savage DC: Microbial ecology of the gastrointestinal tract. Annu Rev Microbiol 31:107, 1977
Tannock GW: Normal Microflora. Chapman and Hall,London, UK, 1995


Guy
Defense Soap

A lot of great info in this thread. Phone Post

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just trusting that the mats are clean doesn't cut it. I trained at a place that had immaculate mats and cleaning routines and would ban people for a month of they dared stepping on ta mat with shoes on. DONT ROLL ON MATS THAT ALLOW PEOPLE WITH SHOES ON THEM! still had ringworm from dudes not washing their shit and trying to hide it and still train.

don't roll on mats that allow shoes on and off the mats... I cant stress this enough.. worst shit I have seen came from that and I caught some alien plant like looking stuff from those mats. I am staring at a nickel sized scar on my arm from it.

Joe Lauzon had what seemed to be great advise. I didn't know about not showering before class... I do that sometimes and I didn't know about the cool to hot water thing.

I use bronners or defense soap. haven't had trouble since.

not training is not an option unless I catch something and have to heal. replacing jiujitsu with something else is not an option just because. no one who trains jiujitsu and takes their hygiene seriously would tell someone to switch to a different discipline. I think I will keep some purel sanitizer in my bag from now on. I also always have long sleeve rash guard and knee pads on now but head/neck need to be taken care of.