Stymie -12 - "The instructor he asked for an affiliation through is a black belt under Helio, and his last name is not Gracie"All the Valentes got black belts and diplomas directly from Helio.
helio gave out like 6 belts in 70 yrs,few have been given a stripe
yes,so how many is that?
BigEyedFish -one of my instructors (from the academy instructor program) got his purple from helio. He was just at my school teaching seminars last weekend and told me himself
one of the few,i am talking bb's.getting his purple fantastic,cant take that away
i should have said outside the family,valentes are considered family.if you count them maybe 10
12 -Four. The purpose of your comment was to imply that angrypirate was incorrect. He is not incorrect. Our instructor received his BB from the Valente brothers. They received their BBs directly from Helio.Stymie -12 - "The instructor he asked for an affiliation through is a black belt under Helio, and his last name is not Gracie"All the Valentes got black belts and diplomas directly from Helio.
helio gave out like 6 belts in 70 yrs,few have been given a stripe
yes,so how many is that?
getting your bb from gui is not getting a bb from helio.how is that incorrect?
ppl at torrance dont say they got a bb from helio.i can only think of a few that can say rorion gave them a bb.
The BB angrypirate was referring to is a Valente who received his BB from Helio. Neither he or I implied our instructor is a Helio BB. Our instructor is a Valente BB as I stated. Neither of us mentioned Gui.
GU + D1 University of Phoenix wrestling = no can defend
You need serious bandwidth for that kind of street readiness.
if helio only gave out 6 belts does that mean he was not a prolific instructor? or was he a poor instructor? 
who do the GU students roll with?
BigEyedFish -who do the GU students roll with?
The cable guy when the internet goes down ?
Stymie - The BB angrypirate was referring to is a Valente who received his BB from Helio. Neither he or I implied our instructor is a Helio BB. Our instructor is a Valente BB as I stated. Neither of us mentioned Gui.
may mistake
thank you for the correction
12 -It's all good. I thought you were calling me a liar like that other guy. My misunderstanding.Stymie - The BB angrypirate was referring to is a Valente who received his BB from Helio. Neither he or I implied our instructor is a Helio BB. Our instructor is a Valente BB as I stated. Neither of us mentioned Gui.
may mistake
thank you for the correction
Does anyone have the list of "Helio Gracie" black belts? Also would be cool to know how many red and black belts he awarded before he passed away.
Call me old school, but I feel you need to be with a live instructor and various students. I am pretty open minded and embrace technology, but while I do think there are benefits to be gain via online training, it should and can never replace real "classroom" experience. We are in a craft that requires minute tweaking and details, and while an online class may be somewhat thorough it can never be like having an instructor there in person to help "fix" details, nor do you have the experience of experimenting with different partners, and go through what we call "mat time" to hone one's skill. Even as a black belt I pick up details from my coach Marcelo Perdomo every time I attend his class.
All this said, I can't help but feel PrisonMattressPuncher is trolling us. If not, man I don't know, I just have to say I disagree with his perspective. Oh, someone mentioned GU brings more people to our "sport". Is that all we really want, more people? What happened to the "purity" of the art. I don't want this to be like Pilates or Yoga. While there are real Yoga practitioners and studios, I mean, how many are just probably watered down. I get it, especially if you are a business owner, but do we really want BJJ to be like that? I know it's headed there, but you know...
mario77 - if helio only gave out 6 belts does that mean he was not a prolific instructor? or was he a poor instructor?
i dont know,but thats the # i remember him giving out when i asked him.how many bb's has he given out to ppl outside of family was my question.
he didnt understand english,so something could have been lost in translation
EvilGumby - I'd like to take a moment to address this constant scenario of "the untrained attacker" I keep reading about. In my experience, no one goes into a fight thinking they are going to lose. Meaning almost by definition your "attacker" thinks he is going to win because he is huge, or trained, or armed, or has buddies with him, etc.
For instance, Is the GU student going to be able to handle the 200 pound former 4 year high school wrestler who's a bit out of shape now at 23 but has been in 3 or 4 bar fights this year and tranes a little UFC in his garage with his buddies?
This is probably more likely a common "street fight scenario" than the phantom one people are preparing for. Regular grown up just don't get into street fights.
At least in a real academy and yes even in "sport tourneys" you've generally encountered the new guy/giant wrestler spazz and have some experience dealing with that energy in a controlled environment. I personally think all the GU guys training for SD would be in for a rude awakening if ever called upon to test their "SD skills".
And yes, I'll say it... "wouldn't handle it as well as a sport guy would."
why would you consider a 4 yr wrestler untrained?
to address 2nd,watch some youtube vids and chances are you will see more untrained then ppl with a skill set of and art
Tom Vadakan - Call me old school, but I feel you need to be with a live instructor and various students. I am pretty open minded and embrace technology, but while I do think there are benefits to be gain via online training, it should and can never replace real "classroom" experience. We are in a craft that requires minute tweaking and details, and while an online class may be somewhat thorough it can never be like having an instructor there in person to help "fix" details, nor do you have the experience of experimenting with different partners, and go through what we call "mat time" to hone one's skill. Even as a black belt I pick up details from my coach Marcelo Perdomo every time I attend his class.
All this said, I can't help but feel PrisonMattressPuncher is trolling us. If not, man I don't know, I just have to say I disagree with his perspective. Oh, someone mentioned GU brings more people to our "sport". Is that all we really want, more people? What happened to the "purity" of the art. I don't want this to be like Pilates or Yoga. While there are real Yoga practitioners and studios, I mean, how many are just probably watered down. I get it, especially if you are a business owner, but do we really want BJJ to be like that? I know it's headed there, but you know...
You make a very good point! However, the one thing I like about GU online training program is it is light years ahead of many schools in terms of programming. In other words, at least with the GU there is a pedagogical or teaching method and program that can be followed.
Let's face it, many Bjj schools lack a sensible learning curriculum and syllabus. There is no organization, no learning progression, nothing to help the student learn in gradual yet progressive way. The student is on their own in terms learning the art.
Unfortunately there are way too many Bjj schools where the head instructors/coaches lack any training in teaching the general public. Indeed, many Bjj instructors don't even have the necessary skills to be teachers... that is, they don't even know how to teach...let alone put together a learning program for their own students.
If anything, GU can serve as a model for how to actual teach a person Jiujitsu step by step.
m.g -Tom Vadakan - Call me old school, but I feel you need to be with a live instructor and various students. I am pretty open minded and embrace technology, but while I do think there are benefits to be gain via online training, it should and can never replace real "classroom" experience. We are in a craft that requires minute tweaking and details, and while an online class may be somewhat thorough it can never be like having an instructor there in person to help "fix" details, nor do you have the experience of experimenting with different partners, and go through what we call "mat time" to hone one's skill. Even as a black belt I pick up details from my coach Marcelo Perdomo every time I attend his class.
All this said, I can't help but feel PrisonMattressPuncher is trolling us. If not, man I don't know, I just have to say I disagree with his perspective. Oh, someone mentioned GU brings more people to our "sport". Is that all we really want, more people? What happened to the "purity" of the art. I don't want this to be like Pilates or Yoga. While there are real Yoga practitioners and studios, I mean, how many are just probably watered down. I get it, especially if you are a business owner, but do we really want BJJ to be like that? I know it's headed there, but you know...
You make a very good point! However, the one thing I like about GU online training program is it is light years ahead of many schools in terms of programming. In other words, at least with the GU there is a pedagogical or teaching method and program that can be followed.
Let's face it, many Bjj schools lack a sensible learning curriculum and syllabus. There is no organization, no learning progression, nothing to help the student learn in gradual yet progressive way. The student is on their own in terms learning the art.
Unfortunately there are way too many Bjj schools where the head instructors/coaches lack any training in teaching the general public. Indeed, many Bjj instructors don't even have the necessary skills to be teachers... that is, they don't even know how to teach...let alone put together a learning program for their own students.
If anything, GU can serve as a model for how to actual teach a person Jiujitsu step by step.
12 -EvilGumby - I'd like to take a moment to address this constant scenario of "the untrained attacker" I keep reading about. In my experience, no one goes into a fight thinking they are going to lose. Meaning almost by definition your "attacker" thinks he is going to win because he is huge, or trained, or armed, or has buddies with him, etc.
For instance, Is the GU student going to be able to handle the 200 pound former 4 year high school wrestler who's a bit out of shape now at 23 but has been in 3 or 4 bar fights this year and tranes a little UFC in his garage with his buddies?
This is probably more likely a common "street fight scenario" than the phantom one people are preparing for. Regular grown up just don't get into street fights.
At least in a real academy and yes even in "sport tourneys" you've generally encountered the new guy/giant wrestler spazz and have some experience dealing with that energy in a controlled environment. I personally think all the GU guys training for SD would be in for a rude awakening if ever called upon to test their "SD skills".
And yes, I'll say it... "wouldn't handle it as well as a sport guy would."
why would you consider a 4 yr wrestler untrained?
to address 2nd,watch some youtube vids and chances are you will see more untrained then ppl with a skill set of and art