Miesha Tate: I'm losing 80-90% because of Reebok

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$1000 sundaes...



to getting a part time job on Sundays


lolz
This is laughabl,e these women could work at maccy d's and get paid more. Phone Post 3.0
What? Fucking Carmouche made 34k last month on the Mendes/Lamas card when she beat Murphy. I think Pena made 30k that night as well. Phone Post 3.0
But some will be on 8k+ 8 to win plus 2.5k sponsorship, if you are not fighting more than 3 times a year that's got to suck. Phone Post 3.0

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$1000 sundaes...



to getting a part time job on Sundays


lolz
This is laughabl,e these women could work at maccy d's and get paid more. Phone Post 3.0
What? Fucking Carmouche made 34k last month on the Mendes/Lamas card when she beat Murphy. I think Pena made 30k that night as well. Phone Post 3.0
But some will be on 8k+ 8 to win plus 2.5k sponsorship, if you are not fighting more than 3 times a year that's got to suck. Phone Post 3.0
8/8 is what you get when you first start in the UFC and haven't won a fight yet. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them get that number up to 12/12 for the first fight. However, when you are just starting out as a prelim/FightPass fighter you are basically having a paid internship. I mean there really isn't any other organization out there where if you win your first 2 fights in you will make 45k. It's not great money, but as long as you avoid the really big cities you can have a very comfortable life of renting an apartment and training all day.

Remember even Conor McGregor was only making 12/12 for his second UFC fight which means that he was at 8/8 to start. By his 4th fight his base was already at 75/75 and since his next fight is in Vegas we will see what it is at on his 6th fight. Yes it's shitty to start, but if you win (especially in exciting fashion) you can make really good money starting towards the end of your 2nd year. Phone Post 3.0

DisIsDeRiddumOfDeNite - The other I saw that Hagler was guaranteed 12 million $ vs Leonard... in 1986. The gate was 7.9 million $ and he cleared 19 million when it was all set and done.

These numbers make MMA look like a joke.

Depends which MMA numbers.

Dana's net worth is estimated at $300 million and he owns 9% of the UFC.

whooleeo - god dam 90%? either shes exaggerating or zuffa butt fucked her DRY!
Her making 50 K a fight is not that far-fetched. Phone Post 3.0

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$1000 sundaes...



to getting a part time job on Sundays


lolz
This is laughabl,e these women could work at maccy d's and get paid more. Phone Post 3.0
What? Fucking Carmouche made 34k last month on the Mendes/Lamas card when she beat Murphy. I think Pena made 30k that night as well. Phone Post 3.0
But some will be on 8k+ 8 to win plus 2.5k sponsorship, if you are not fighting more than 3 times a year that's got to suck. Phone Post 3.0
8/8 is what you get when you first start in the UFC and haven't won a fight yet. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them get that number up to 12/12 for the first fight. However, when you are just starting out as a prelim/FightPass fighter you are basically having a paid internship. I mean there really isn't any other organization out there where if you win your first 2 fights in you will make 45k. It's not great money, but as long as you avoid the really big cities you can have a very comfortable life of renting an apartment and training all day.

Remember even Conor McGregor was only making 12/12 for his second UFC fight which means that he was at 8/8 to start. By his 4th fight his base was already at 75/75 and since his next fight is in Vegas we will see what it is at on his 6th fight. Yes it's shitty to start, but if you win (especially in exciting fashion) you can make really good money starting towards the end of your 2nd year. Phone Post 3.0


Spinning Shit, 



With all due respect, the UFC pay scale you mentioned isn't the case for everyone. I mean no disrespect by bringing this up but Raquel Pennington just had her 4th fight in the UFC, co-main evented and her disclosed fight purse was $10k to show. I think she did very well against Holly who with all due respect was expected to come in and destroy Raquel but she just about got through her with a split decision. $10K is not acceptable at all in my opinion especially for a 4th fight

whooleeo - god dam 90%? either shes exaggerating or zuffa butt fucked her DRY!
And no pillow to bite Phone Post 3.0

JoeDingo - 
DisIsDeRiddumOfDeNite - The other I saw that Hagler was guaranteed 12 million $ vs Leonard... in 1986. The gate was 7.9 million $ and he cleared 19 million when it was all set and done.

These numbers make MMA look like a joke.

Depends which MMA numbers.

Dana's net worth is estimated at $300 million and he owns 9% of the UFC.

MMA's promoter numbers are excellent, but from a fighter's perspective, it's a joke. if it wasn't, the fighters wouldn't be crying about the reebok deal.

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$1000 sundaes...



to getting a part time job on Sundays


lolz
This is laughabl,e these women could work at maccy d's and get paid more. Phone Post 3.0
What? Fucking Carmouche made 34k last month on the Mendes/Lamas card when she beat Murphy. I think Pena made 30k that night as well. Phone Post 3.0
But some will be on 8k+ 8 to win plus 2.5k sponsorship, if you are not fighting more than 3 times a year that's got to suck. Phone Post 3.0
8/8 is what you get when you first start in the UFC and haven't won a fight yet. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them get that number up to 12/12 for the first fight. However, when you are just starting out as a prelim/FightPass fighter you are basically having a paid internship. I mean there really isn't any other organization out there where if you win your first 2 fights in you will make 45k. It's not great money, but as long as you avoid the really big cities you can have a very comfortable life of renting an apartment and training all day.

Remember even Conor McGregor was only making 12/12 for his second UFC fight which means that he was at 8/8 to start. By his 4th fight his base was already at 75/75 and since his next fight is in Vegas we will see what it is at on his 6th fight. Yes it's shitty to start, but if you win (especially in exciting fashion) you can make really good money starting towards the end of your 2nd year. Phone Post 3.0


Spinning Shit, 



With all due respect, the UFC pay scale you mentioned isn't the case for everyone. I mean no disrespect by bringing this up but Raquel Pennington just had her 4th fight in the UFC, co-main evented and her disclosed fight purse was $10k to show. I think she did very well against Holly who with all due respect was expected to come in and destroy Raquel but she just about got through her with a split decision. $10K is not acceptable at all in my opinion especially for a 4th fight

Like I said, I would love to see the base go up 50%. As for Raquel's payout, it does suck however, her record isn't exactly what you would call impressive. Only once in her career has she managed to win two fights in a row and that was back in 2012.

She has lost 2 split decisions so she is ridiculously close to being 4-0 in the UFC and it would be great if her base qas closer to 20k. If she had won those 2 fights, obviously her pay would be much better. She needs to figure out how (if it is even possible) she can get to that next level, because as it stands now she has a journeyman's record in a really shallow division. Phone Post 3.0

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                                <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898"><span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519646"><span class="User-345566" id="userPost53514776">$1000 sundaes...</span></span></span></p>
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                                <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898"><span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519646"><span class="User-345566" id="userPost53514776">to getting a part time job on Sundays</span></span></span></p>
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                        <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898"><span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519646">lolz</span></span></blockquote>
                    <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898"><span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519646">This is laughabl,e these women could work at maccy d's and get paid more. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></span></blockquote>
                <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898"><span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519646">What? Fucking Carmouche made 34k last month on the Mendes/Lamas card when she beat Murphy. I think Pena made 30k that night as well. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></span></blockquote>
            <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898"><span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519646">But some will be on 8k+ 8 to win plus 2.5k sponsorship, if you are not fighting more than 3 times a year that's got to suck. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></span></blockquote>
        <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898"><span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519646">8/8 is what you get when you first start in the UFC and haven't won a fight yet. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them get that number up to 12/12 for the first fight. However, when you are just starting out as a prelim/FightPass fighter you are basically having a paid internship. I mean there really isn't any other organization out there where if you win your first 2 fights in you will make 45k. It's not great money, but as long as you avoid the really big cities you can have a very comfortable life of renting an apartment and training all day.<br />
        <br />
        Remember even Conor McGregor was only making 12/12 for his second UFC fight which means that he was at 8/8 to start. By his 4th fight his base was already at 75/75 and since his next fight is in Vegas we will see what it is at on his 6th fight. Yes it's shitty to start, but if you win (especially in exciting fashion) you can make really good money starting towards the end of your 2nd year. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></span></blockquote>
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        <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898">Spinning Shit,&nbsp;</span></p>
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        <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898">With all due respect, the UFC pay scale you mentioned isn't the case for everyone. I mean no disrespect by bringing this up but Raquel Pennington just had her 4th fight in the UFC, co-main evented and her disclosed fight purse was $10k to show. I think she did very well against Holly who with all due respect was expected to come in and destroy Raquel but she just about got through her with a split decision. $10K is not acceptable at all in my opinion especially for a 4th fight</span></p>
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<span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898">Like I said, I would love to see the base go up 50%. As for Raquel's payout, it does suck however, her record isn't exactly what you would call impressive. Only once in her career has she managed to win two fights in a row and that was back in 2012.<br />
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She has lost 2 split decisions so she is ridiculously close to being 4-0 in the UFC and it would be great if her base qas closer to 20k. If she had won those 2 fights, obviously her pay would be much better. She needs to figure out how (if it is even possible) she can get to that next level, because as it stands now she has a journeyman's record in a really shallow division. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></blockquote>

 

Spinning Shit,(interesting name by the way :) is there a back story?)

 

 

I had a quick look at some figures and I am inclined to believe the $10k is probably a result of the kind of deal that Raquel negotiated. Sara Mcmann is also 2-2 in the UFC but her last disclosed fight purse is $25k

These figures really are upsetting considering these fighters put their lives on the line everytime they go to work.

 

You mentioned fighters start on $8k/$8k, Cat Zingano's first UFC fight against Miesha she got $7k/$7k for her fight purse

 

It may suck for WMMA, but anywhere else in the working world, you Dont try to land your dream job for 10 years before they finally decided to hire you, and then get pay/bonuses/benefits retroactive to the time when you first applied..

Just doesn't work that way folks! Phone Post 3.0

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Hello,



I appreciate and agree with what Miesha is saying but with all due respect,  I am somewhat bothered by her wanting to use the "is not fair to WMMA in the UFC" card. Miesha has fought 5 times in the UFC,  coached TUF and has had several opportunities to travel overseas to represent the UFC brand and promote fight cards. There are some female fighters who have fought less than Miesha and had less opportunities than Miesha has. With respect, I don't recall her saying any of that was unfair



 
Have you seen what they pay wmma fighters? Jack shit. It's either rousey money or nothing and rousey couldn't be a star if none of those opponents existed and meisha is plenty a star on her own and her exciting first fight with rousey was big for rouseys career/spotlight Phone Post 3.0


VikingKnee, 



With all due respect, WMMA in the UFC has benefited Ronda and the UFC. Dana pretty much cemented that when he said the 135lbs division is "the Ronda show" Miesha has been given plenty of opportunities and didnt complain that they were not enough or that the UFC was not being fair to WMMA. Several female fighters constantly beg on social media to get fights and maybe I have missed it but I have not read about Miesha using what influence(if that is the case) to help that. Meisha is a star in her own right, I agre with that but in my opinon and I say this respectfully, I don't think it is fair for her to now want to make it a WMMA issue when she had no issue with her earnings before. 

You missed my point. Their pay sucks but meisha is a star and she's banking on sponsors. So now her pay sucks and she has no sponsors. Hence her saying she's losing 80-90% Phone Post 3.0

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                            <p>
                                <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898"><span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519646"><span class="User-345566" id="userPost53514776">$1000 sundaes...</span></span></span></p>
                            <p>
                                <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898"><span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519646"><span class="User-345566" id="userPost53514776">to getting a part time job on Sundays</span></span></span></p>
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                        <br />
                        <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898"><span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519646">lolz</span></span></blockquote>
                    <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898"><span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519646">This is laughabl,e these women could work at maccy d's and get paid more. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></span></blockquote>
                <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898"><span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519646">What? Fucking Carmouche made 34k last month on the Mendes/Lamas card when she beat Murphy. I think Pena made 30k that night as well. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></span></blockquote>
            <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898"><span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519646">But some will be on 8k+ 8 to win plus 2.5k sponsorship, if you are not fighting more than 3 times a year that's got to suck. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></span></blockquote>
        <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898"><span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519646">8/8 is what you get when you first start in the UFC and haven't won a fight yet. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them get that number up to 12/12 for the first fight. However, when you are just starting out as a prelim/FightPass fighter you are basically having a paid internship. I mean there really isn't any other organization out there where if you win your first 2 fights in you will make 45k. It's not great money, but as long as you avoid the really big cities you can have a very comfortable life of renting an apartment and training all day.<br />
        <br />
        Remember even Conor McGregor was only making 12/12 for his second UFC fight which means that he was at 8/8 to start. By his 4th fight his base was already at 75/75 and since his next fight is in Vegas we will see what it is at on his 6th fight. Yes it's shitty to start, but if you win (especially in exciting fashion) you can make really good money starting towards the end of your 2nd year. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></span></blockquote>
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        <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898">Spinning Shit,&nbsp;</span></p>
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        <span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898">With all due respect, the UFC pay scale you mentioned isn't the case for everyone. I mean no disrespect by bringing this up but Raquel Pennington just had her 4th fight in the UFC, co-main evented and her disclosed fight purse was $10k to show. I think she did very well against Holly who with all due respect was expected to come in and destroy Raquel but she just about got through her with a split decision. $10K is not acceptable at all in my opinion especially for a 4th fight</span></p>
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<span class="User-323686" id="userPost53519898">Like I said, I would love to see the base go up 50%. As for Raquel's payout, it does suck however, her record isn't exactly what you would call impressive. Only once in her career has she managed to win two fights in a row and that was back in 2012.<br />
<br />
She has lost 2 split decisions so she is ridiculously close to being 4-0 in the UFC and it would be great if her base qas closer to 20k. If she had won those 2 fights, obviously her pay would be much better. She needs to figure out how (if it is even possible) she can get to that next level, because as it stands now she has a journeyman's record in a really shallow division. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></blockquote>

 

Spinning Shit,(interesting name by the way :) is there a back story?)

 

 

I had a quick look at some figures and I am inclined to believe the $10k is probably a result of the kind of deal that Raquel negotiated. Sara Mcmann is also 2-2 in the UFC but her last disclosed fight purse is $25k

These figures really are upsetting considering these fighters put their lives on the line everytime they go to work.

 

You mentioned fighters start on $8k/$8k, Cat Zingano's first UFC fight against Miesha she got $7k/$7k for her fight purse


 

Yeah that Zingano one looks like an outlier. I haven't seen a fighter make less than 8k in a couple of years so I think that may have been carried over from Invicta, otherwise I have no idea.

Normally a winners contract starts at 8 then goes 12/16/ then either 24k or a new deal. Because of her record, Raquel's should look like 8/12/10/12. Hopefully after she wins her next fight she can get a new contract (preferably talking to McMann's manager ahead of time).

I would like to see a structure for the winners contract of 12/16/25/30 so that if you go 4-0 you will make just under 200k over a 2 year period. For someone like Raquel, it would look like 12/16/14/18 so she would still be getting screwed but at least a base of 40k per year plus any assorted bonus/sponsorship money she could get. Phone Post 3.0

Vikingknee - 
Sunkist1207 -
Vikingknee - 
Sunkist1207 -


Hello,



I appreciate and agree with what Miesha is saying but with all due respect,  I am somewhat bothered by her wanting to use the "is not fair to WMMA in the UFC" card. Miesha has fought 5 times in the UFC,  coached TUF and has had several opportunities to travel overseas to represent the UFC brand and promote fight cards. There are some female fighters who have fought less than Miesha and had less opportunities than Miesha has. With respect, I don't recall her saying any of that was unfair



 
Have you seen what they pay wmma fighters? Jack shit. It's either rousey money or nothing and rousey couldn't be a star if none of those opponents existed and meisha is plenty a star on her own and her exciting first fight with rousey was big for rouseys career/spotlight Phone Post 3.0


VikingKnee, 



With all due respect, WMMA in the UFC has benefited Ronda and the UFC. Dana pretty much cemented that when he said the 135lbs division is "the Ronda show" Miesha has been given plenty of opportunities and didnt complain that they were not enough or that the UFC was not being fair to WMMA. Several female fighters constantly beg on social media to get fights and maybe I have missed it but I have not read about Miesha using what influence(if that is the case) to help that. Meisha is a star in her own right, I agre with that but in my opinon and I say this respectfully, I don't think it is fair for her to now want to make it a WMMA issue when she had no issue with her earnings before. 

You missed my point. Their pay sucks but meisha is a star and she's banking on sponsors. So now her pay sucks and she has no sponsors. Hence her saying she's losing 80-90% Phone Post 3.0


VikingKnee, 



I totally understand what you are saying but that doesnt negate from the point I was making earlier. If Miesha had an exclusive contract with Reebok like Ronda and Paige have, would she be quick to say the Reebok deal isnt fair for WMMA? I mean no disrespect to Miesha but she didnt appear to have a problem with what WMMA were being paid in the UFC prior to this Reebok deal when she was making 80-90% more than what she will be making,  while others were begging for fights on social media. I shouldnt assume, maybe she has mentioned something about WMMA pay previously, if so,  can someone kindly point me in the direction of any interviews addressing this matter. 

she just mad because she wasted all of her Title Contender 30k Reebok opportunities with Ronda before the deal was made.

Anyways, this helps the womens champions/contendors tremendously.

30k/40k per fight now is a meaningful amount for them, especially since they are very new and probably don't get close to the same sponsorship money that the guys were getting, except ronda ofc.

Spinning Shit, 

 

Cat got a $9k/$9k fight purse aganst Amanda Nunes then jumped to $100k to fight Rousey. I have no idea how her manager negotiated her contract but it is concerning.  Its great that she got $100k to fight Rousey but I say this respectfully, what is the likelyhood that she will get that for her next fight.

Your suggested pay scale sounds great but in my opinon it ultimately comes down to a good manager who can negotiate the fighters worth and I say this respectfully, not just accept what the UFC offer because it is the UFC. I say this respectfully but the UFC is not for everyone.Joe Schilling is 1-1 in Bellator but for his last fight purse he recieved $27k and prior to that,  he was 1-3 in MMA. 

Dreville79 - It's gonna hit female fighters harder. Was it Mcmann got $10,000 to fight Ronda? So she'd make what, $20,000 tops all in? That's terrible. And I'm usually one of the ones saying fighters often get paid well! Phone Post 3.0
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Spinning Shit, 



 



Cat got a $9k/$9k fight purse aganst Amanda Nunes then jumped to $100k to fight Rousey. I have no idea how her manager negotiated her contract but it is concerning.  Its great that she got $100k to fight Rousey but I say this respectfully, what is the likelyhood that she will get that for her next fight.



Your suggested pay scale sounds great but in my opinon it ultimately comes down to a good manager who can negotiate the fighters worth and I say this respectfully, not just accept what the UFC offer because it is the UFC. I say this respectfully but the UFC is not for everyone.Joe Schilling is 1-1 in Bellator but for his last fight purse he recieved $27k and prior to that,  he was 1-3 in MMA. 

Yeah I doubt that she gets anything close to a 100k base. Hopefully she will get at least 35/35. Phone Post 3.0

Sunkist1207 -
Vikingknee - 
Sunkist1207 -


Hello,



I appreciate and agree with what Miesha is saying but with all due respect,  I am somewhat bothered by her wanting to use the "is not fair to WMMA in the UFC" card. Miesha has fought 5 times in the UFC,  coached TUF and has had several opportunities to travel overseas to represent the UFC brand and promote fight cards. There are some female fighters who have fought less than Miesha and had less opportunities than Miesha has. With respect, I don't recall her saying any of that was unfair



 
Have you seen what they pay wmma fighters? Jack shit. It's either rousey money or nothing and rousey couldn't be a star if none of those opponents existed and meisha is plenty a star on her own and her exciting first fight with rousey was big for rouseys career/spotlight Phone Post 3.0


VikingKnee, 



With all due respect, WMMA in the UFC has benefited Ronda and the UFC. Dana pretty much cemented that when he said the 135lbs division is "the Ronda show" Miesha has been given plenty of opportunities and didnt complain that they were not enough or that the UFC was not being fair to WMMA. Several female fighters constantly beg on social media to get fights and maybe I have missed it but I have not read about Miesha using what influence(if that is the case) to help that. Meisha is a star in her own right, I agre with that but in my opinon and I say this respectfully, I don't think it is fair for her to now want to make it a WMMA issue when she had no issue with her earnings before. 

Do you even logic, bro? Phone Post 3.0

She didn't brand herself, she put brands on herself. There's a difference.

Yes, the UFC fucked over the fighters in the short term with this deal. I say short term because it will either work and fighters will adapt and make money in new ways, or it will fail leading to a mass exodus and the deal will go away. It is now time for these managers to earn their keep. They need to find revenue sources that aren’t dependent on just being a billboard, that was fairly easy to obtain with a fighter with Miesha's popularity, but now they have to develop relationships and show an actual return on investment when it comes to the partnership. Phone Post 3.0

Screenname is apt--and you are spinning it.