WMMA Discussion Thread

 Meet Mizuki Inoue. 20 year old 8-4 super tough fighter in Invicta's SW division with notable wins over Bec Rawlings and Alex Chambers, 

 

Grasso vs Inoue was an amazing fight

Shogun of Harlem - I retract my earlier opinion of Sunkist. Keep up the good work. Phone Post 3.0


Shogun of Harlem. 



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Meet Barb Hornchak 10-2 and the current Invicta Flyweight champion. With notable wins over Felice Herrig, Roxanne Modefferi, Vanessa Porto and Leslie Smith

Hornchack vs Tate or Honchak vs Carmouche will be fireworks at 125

 

 

Meet Jinh Yu Frey 3-1 currently competing in the Invicta Atomweight division. Below is the knock out video that went viral

Kimbo Kardashian - with joanna as champ theres a couple more polish chicks ufc should sign karolina kowalkiewicz(sw) and agnieszka neidzweidz(bw) both young and undefeated at 7-0 kicking sum ass in europe


I'd like to see Agnieszka sign with Invicta first and beat at least a proven journeywoman or two, before signing with the UFC. She's an interesting prospect and Poland is certainly a strong producer of MMA talent, but I've not heard of any of her opponents, but none of her opponents had more than 2 prior fights before fighting her.



Kowalkiewicz is really good and will almost certainly wind up with the UFC eventually, but she's signed to both Invicta and KSW, and the latter is probably paying her very nicely right now to fight without leaving Poland. They're gonna have to do better than $10k + $10k for her I think.

Chromium - 
Kimbo Kardashian - with joanna as champ theres a couple more polish chicks ufc should sign karolina kowalkiewicz(sw) and agnieszka neidzweidz(bw) both young and undefeated at 7-0 kicking sum ass in europe


I'd like to see Agnieszka sign with Invicta first and beat at least a proven journeywoman or two, before signing with the UFC. She's an interesting prospect and Poland is certainly a strong producer of MMA talent, but I've not heard of any of her opponents, but none of her opponents had more than 2 prior fights before fighting her.



Kowalkiewicz is really good and will almost certainly wind up with the UFC eventually, but she's signed to both Invicta and KSW, and the latter is probably paying her very nicely right now to fight without leaving Poland. They're gonna have to do better than $10k + $10k for her I think.


ya she was supposed to fight pannie kianzad recently which would of been a good test for her dont know whatever happened to that fight tho

I want to show appreciation and respect for a Martial Artist with a Lions heart. Jan Finney. Although Jan has a record of 8-11, she has fought a who's who in WMMA and win or lose, keeps going on like a warrior. Much respect to you Jan

 

Meet Tamikka "Boom Boom" Brents  2-2  and currently signed to Invicta fighting in the 145/155 division. 

 

 

 

Tamikka is also raising funds for her next fight camp so if you are interestied in donating, please click on the link below

http://www.gofundme.com/boomboombrents

Sunkist1207 - 

Meet Nicdali "The Night Queen" Rivera Calenoc, Miesha Tates best friend and an Atomweight fighter with a record of 8-8. Nicdali was signed to Invicta but after a brief retirement, is back in action moving up to the straw weight division to meet Sharita Fane Davis  0-1 (3-6 Amateur)tomorrow at XFL Xtreme fight night 23

 

 

 

Sharita Fane Davis

 

Unfortunately for Nicdali, her opponent didnt show up for the fight.

 

 

Congratuations to CSW's Colleen Schneider. She beat undefeated number 2 ranked Chinese Bantamweight Jingnan Xiong by decision at the Kunlun fights even held in China yesterday

 

Jingnan Xiong

Shogun of Harlem - 
Sunkist1207 -
Shogun of Harlem - I retract my earlier opinion of Sunkist. Keep up the good work. Phone Post 3.0
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Shogun of Harlem, 

 

As promised, please accept a vote up from yesterday :)

Shogun of Harlem - 
Sunkist1207 - 
Shogun of Harlem - 
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Shogun of Harlem - I retract my earlier opinion of Sunkist. Keep up the good work. Phone Post 3.0
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Shogun of Harlem, 

 

 

Thank you Sir, you are very kind. Please enjoy the rest of your day :)

 

Kimbo Kardashian - 
Chromium - 
Kimbo Kardashian - with joanna as champ theres a couple more polish chicks ufc should sign karolina kowalkiewicz(sw) and agnieszka neidzweidz(bw) both young and undefeated at 7-0 kicking sum ass in europe
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        <span class="User-351800" id="userPost53681809"><span class="User-312380" id="userPost53681461">I'd like to see Agnieszka sign with Invicta first and beat at least a proven journeywoman or two, before signing with the UFC. She's an interesting prospect and Poland is certainly a strong producer of MMA talent, but I've not heard of any of her opponents, but none of her opponents had more than 2 prior fights before fighting her.</span></span></p>
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        <span class="User-351800" id="userPost53681809"><span class="User-312380" id="userPost53681461">Kowalkiewicz is really good and will almost certainly wind up with the UFC eventually, but she's signed to both Invicta and KSW, and the latter is probably paying her very nicely right now to fight without leaving Poland. They're gonna have to do better than $10k + $10k for her I think.</span></span></p>
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Kimbo Kardashian, 

 

 

Not sure if this was a contribuiting factor to the fight not happening but Pannie recently signed a deal with Invicta. I assume that Invicta allows their fighters to book fights  in other organizations so there might have been another reason

 

I mentioned Pannie earlier in this thread but here is a hightlights video

Barb honchak is one of the most boring characters both inside and outside of the cage. She certainly isn't someone to push forward a 125 division in the ufc. Phone Post 3.0

Tecia Torres and Alexa Grasso run into each other in Mexico ahead of Tecias fight against Anglea Hill at UFC 188

 

 

 

 

Sara McMann issued an open challenge and below are the fighters who stepped up. I am not sure if her recent comments on the Reebok deal and consulting legal counsel about the deal will affect her fighting in the near future. We just have to wait and see

 

Thanx 2 the girls who stepped up and . Now I wait on what the decides

 

Leslie Smith 7-6

 

Amanda Nunes 10-4

 

Cindy Dandois 5-2

 

 

Cris Cyborg held her first Pinkbelt Fitness Girls camp over the weekend 

 

 

 

Follow Pink Belt Fitness on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram to know when the next camp will be held

https://twitter.com/girls_pinkbelt

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pink-Belt-Fitness-By-Cris-Cyborg/1744463912446664

https://instagram.com/pinkbeltfitness/

 

pegson123 - Barb honchak is one of the most boring characters both inside and outside of the cage. She certainly isn't someone to push forward a 125 division in the ufc. Phone Post 3.0


Pegson123, 



If you dont me asking, is there a particular incident that lead you to believe this about Barb outside of the cage? If the UFC do decide to start a 125 division, in my opinion, that division will be very busy 



 



 

Sunkist1207 -


Tecia Torres and Alexa Grasso run into each other in Mexico ahead of Tecias fight against Anglea Hill at UFC 188



 





 



 



 



Sara McMann issued an open challenge and below are the fighters who stepped up. I am not sure if her recent comments on the Reebok deal and consulting legal counsel about the deal will affect her fighting in the near future. We just have to wait and see



 




Thanx 2 the girls who stepped up and . Now I wait on what the decides



 



Leslie Smith 7-6



 





Amanda Nunes 10-4



 





Cindy Dandois 5-2





 


 

Alexa Grasso is so dreamy. Phone Post 3.0

Karnak - Sunkist1207

Your right on the nature of the casual audience not being there for all MMA, but beyond the initial early freakshow spectacle, the hardcore MMA fan base hasn't exactly warmed to the prospect of having women holding a role in the sports top promotion either.

So I don't know what kind of platform you expect women to maintain in the UFC, but in my mind, knowing what I know, it's a long way from headlining PPV's, and for many not much further along than a prominent fight once in a while on main card Fox too.

Is this fair in the short term... I don't think so, but in the reality facing all female sports, it may be all you can expect right now for something so unfamiliar/extreme for a fight sports audience.

Even if your don't see it, everything I read and hear clearly suggests the MMA bubble doesn't enjoy Ronda's prominence either, and would prefer for her and all of the other women signed to Zuffa, to simply compete on all female cards too; meaning this kind of segregation is probably the worst idea for the future development of WMMA as a whole, no?

The way the landscape looks now, it's going to be a grind, but segregation sounds even worse to me.


Karnak, 



I do agree with you that some of the  hardcore fan base hasnt warmed to the idea of Ronda and in my opinion, one of the reasons is because Ronda placed higher in pound for Pound rankings then male fighters who have been dominant for a much longer period. Pound for pound rankings are a completely different animal and considering there is no set criteria makes for a very difficult discussion.



 



Karnak- So I don't know what kind of platform you expect women to maintain in the UFC,



What is motivating the UFC to  have Tecia Torres and Angela Hill on the UFC 188 fight card in Mexico?



If the UFC are invested in WMMA, Why not have every female fight on the main PPV card for the casual fans to get to know them?

DalyDentedDecimated'sDome - 
Sunkist1207 - 
pegson123 - Barb honchak is one of the most boring characters both inside and outside of the cage. She certainly isn't someone to push forward a 125 division in the ufc. Phone Post 3.0


Pegson123, 



If you dont me asking, is there a particular incident that lead you to believe this about Barb outside of the cage? If the UFC do decide to start a 125 division, in my opinion, that division will be very busy 



 



 



about Barb Honhack - she hasn't fought since invicta 9. I have no idea if she wants to or is going to fight on invicta 13.  she's sat out 3 events already. I think she is financially comfortable with her husband and has no desire to fight 2 or 3 times  a year, why get banged up, right? And she gets to hang on to that belt.



about a UFC 125 division - i'm all about WMMA, but i wouldn't support it. It'll mean a division will be added which will have say 20 girls in it, and the UFC is overpopulated badly anyway.  They would all want fights, and would end up only fighting less than twice every year anyway.  I know the pay is better  than Invicta but i think the US is reaching its saturation limit of WMMA population.



Just get the girls who do want fights more fights in the existing roster and calendar.



And a division between 115 and 135 will mean girls will "flee" from one division to another, to escape this or that new threat.  It'll water down the divisions...badly.... no 125 womens' UFC division.



I think the present set up is fine: Invicta and UFC alternate 105, 115, 125, 135 divisions.  



Us fans will lose track of who the hell is in what division as girls transit from one to another.



DalyDentedDecimated'sDome



You make great points but as I mentioned previously about the 145 div, if the UFC do not pick up that division, in my opinion, most of the fighters will move on to Bellator if the opportunity presents itself. Bellator is in a prime position to capitalize and develop the divisions that the UFC are not currently intrested in. In my opinion a 125lb division will be very fair to those in the current 135 div who can drop down. This will allow the fighters to have an opportunity to hold a UFC belt at some point

pegson123 - Barb honchak is one of the most boring characters both inside and outside of the cage. She certainly isn't someone to push forward a 125 division in the ufc. Phone Post 3.0


I'm a fan of Barb, but this is 100 percent correct.



Personally Invicta has lost some appeal with its 3 Brazilian champions+Barb.  Fair or not,  I think the Brazilian fighters are all juiced.



Invicta still holds intrest for me in the new fighters or vets like Roxy making a comeback, but seeing Champs like Waterson out muscled by some juiced Brazilian I don't care about is a serious turn off.



Sad thing is, I don't see Invicta having the money to do proper testing ever. 

I have never heard anything from ZUFFA that indicated that they were interested in adding a 145 division for women in the UFC. After Cyborg's PED suspension in January 2012, ZUFFA stripped her of the title and cancelled the division. Rousey won the 135 title from Tate in March 2012.

ZUFFA want to keep Cyborg on the roster in the hope that she can make 135 to fight Rousey, I doubt they really care about other 145 fighters going to Bellator.

I don't have an answer for women's 145, but the problem is obvious: there are too few talented fighters to make a viable division for one well run organization, much less 2 poorly run organizations. I have no idea who Bellator's champion is at 145. Cyborg is supposedly going to defend her Invicta title in a month - she does not have an opponent yet, and Invicta does not even have a credible opponent for her on their roster.

In 2011, before the PED scandal and when she was the Stikeforce 145 champ, Cyborg saw the writing on the wall for 145 and said that she would move to 135 as "I know there will be more opportunities at 135.” The situation at 145 is even worse 4 years later. Hopefully Invicta gets its act together and finally has fight to crown a 135 champion. Cyborg would be an interesting addition to 135 for the UFC, which she would be guaranteed if she beat a legit 135 title holder in Invicta.